Saturday, July 25, 2026

Westerly culture war erupts again

After victory for trans student rights in Cumberland, all eyes turn to Westerly

Steve Ahlquist

Credit: Mel Woods/Xtra
As the Cumberland School District wrestled with and ultimately declined to pass changes to its transgender student policies last week, Westerly School Committee Solicitor William Nardone provided a freewheeling and imaginative overview of a recent United States Supreme Court decision, West Virginia v. B.P.J., regarding the eligibility of transgender athletes in female sports at last Wednesday’s meeting during his “solicitor’s report.”

In the decision, SCOTUS ruled that under Title IX and the Equal Protection Clause, schools may maintain women’s and girls’ sports teams based on “biological sex.” The decision permits—but does not strictly mandate—the exclusion of trans girls from female sports, said Solicitor Nardone. The solicitor advised the School Committee that the district should align itself with the court’s decision, even though the ruling did not affect Rhode Island General Laws or the Department of Education’s mandated Guidance for Rhode Island Schools on Transgender and Gender Nonconforming Students.

Nardone went even further than the court’s decision, interpreting the ruling’s “umbrella” to apply to spaces such as locker rooms and bathrooms. Christian nationalist Committee member Peter Nero was quick to point out the difficulties of enforcing a ban based on “biological sex,” noting that birth certificates can be legally altered in many states. Solicitor Nardone dismissed the concern and noted that the Supreme Court decision does not address the issue of verification, and that the “day-to-day” policing of the policy is up to the district administration.

Committeemembers Seth Logan and Lori Wycall cited Mirabelli v. Bonta, the case that was at the center of the kerfuffle in Cumberland. Unaware that Cumberland would conclude that altering their policy was, at the very least, premature (if not dangerous for the health and well-being of students), they suggested the district ensure parents are informed if a student begins to socially transition at school (that is, adopt names, pronouns, or the dress of a gender different from the one assigned at birth. Committeemember Logan is fairly new to the Committee, but Committeemember Wycall has long wanted to impose policies to discriminate against trans children. (See: herehere, and here.)

Though the opponents of trans girls playing sports couch their arguments in terms of competitiveness, safety, and fairness, their true agenda is Christian Nationalism, complete with Christian prayers and Bibles in public schools.

Committeemember Peter Nero formerly served as the Superintendent of the Cranston Public Schools until his retirement in 2012. During his tenure, an atheist student, Jessica Ahlquist (full disclosure, Jessica is my niece), was a plaintiff in a successful case brought against the city by the RI ACLU to remove a Christian prayer banner from the auditorium wall of Cranston High School West:

“We wanted to keep the banner,” said Committeemember Nero at Tuesday night’s meeting. “We thought it was the relic. It was Christian, and I’m a practicing Catholic, so I didn’t find a problem with it. We ended up getting a pro bono [lawyer] from the Diocese, but the [ACLU] won the case…

“…if the Supreme Court was empowered back in 2012, that prayer banner would still be up … because you can see now they’re putting Bibles in some schools, Bible studies… I had the prayer banner cut down from the wall, and I’ve had it hidden. And someday, if [the Supreme Court] turns that around, I’ll have it put back up.”

Here’s the transcript of the relevant parts of the committee meeting. You can watch the video here.

Committee Chair Leslie Dunn: Our next item is our solicitor’s report.

Solicitor William Nardone: The committee members have had some brief discussion regarding transgender athletes. It’s not new, but there’s some news surrounding it. The conclusion you reached as a committee was to wait and see what the Supreme Court does because they’re going to hear the case. Well, the Supreme Court heard the case, actually combined two cases, made a decision, and I’m going to give you a brief overview of a very lengthy decision. It’s actually fairly simple. It’s very focused.

And I’m going to read from the decision. The question before the court in these cases is whether, under Title IX and the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment, schools may maintain women’s and girls’ sports teams for biological females. In other words, may schools determine eligibility for female sports based on biological sex?

Very simple question, right? Wrong.

So what’s happened in recent years? Some biological males who identify as female have sought to play on women’s or girls’ sports teams, and that development has triggered national and international concerns mainly around safety and competitive fairness among athletes, as well as related concerns about preserving equal opportunity for women and girls to play sports.

For those reasons, 27 states have passed laws banning biological males from competing in women’s and girls’ sports. Not only states, but also the International Olympic Committee, the United States Olympic Committee and Paralympic Committee, and the NCAA have instituted bans.

The question that the court had to deal with is, under Title IX and the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment, may schools maintain women’s and girls’ sports for biological females? In other words, can schools determine eligibility for women’s and girls’ sports based on biological sex?

The court’s answer was yes; they can. Biological sex can be a basis for determining eligibility to participate in women’s and girls’ sports, strictly based on biological sex, and there was discussion with respect to biological sex and its definition. Justice Kavanaugh wrote the decision. There was a concurring opinion by Justice Thomas. Thomas said that men and boys with gender dysphoria are not women or girls, even if they believe that they are. Sex is an immutable biological characteristic. It is binary. And man and woman, boy and girl, are the terms that correspond to adults and children of each sex. To use language to obscure reality, to show indifference regarding the truth, to lie to the public, and to cease to treat our fellow citizens as equals.

That’s pretty strong language.

Again, the court made this decision based upon what they’ve reiterated as safety concerns and fairness. They said you can use that as the basis, but it doesn’t say that you have to use that as the basis. Throughout the decision, there are continued references to safety, fairness, and fair competition. Reading between the lines, the decision doesn’t say you have to [exclude trans girls from sports]. What it says is you should, and if you don’t, you’re at risk.

Now, I say to this group often that my job is to keep you out of trouble, not get you out once you get yourselves in. Does this case say that the remaining states have to pass similar statutes to the 27 that already have it? No, but it says you’d be well advised. You probably should follow those rules. Now, irrespective of whether you agree with the decision or not, It’s the Supreme Court, and it’s the current status of the law with respect to this narrow issue.

One of my sayings with respect to the Supreme Court is they’re not last because they’re right. They’re right because they’re last. That’s it. That’s the decision. Now, there are other cases on similar topics that are in lower federal courts. Those will probably wind their way up to the Supreme Court. So this is a continuing, evolving area of law, and it’s going to continue to evolve. One question that immediately comes to mind is: Does this extend to the same kind of privacy and protection with respect to physical areas, spaces, bathrooms, girls’ and women’s rooms, and locker rooms? Do those have the same kind of protection? This case doesn’t say specifically that it does, but you could certainly, and I would interpret it to be included under the umbrella of this decision.

Will it be challenged? I’m sure it will. Somehow, someone will do something to get a different branch of this tree before the Supreme Court. Maybe that’s the topic; I’m not sure.

That’s what the Supreme Court has said. I can answer any questions that you have, but I’m not one of those justices. And if you are suffering with a little insomnia some night, find a copy of this case and start to read it.

Committeemember Peter Nero: I read the decision, and I’m not a lawyer. I’ve read a lot of special educational decisions over the years. What is the proof of the student’s gender?

Solicitor Nardone: The proof?

Committeemember Nero: Yeah.

Solicitor Nardone: According to this, it’s biological sex, period. End of discussion. You’re either born a girl or a boy, and I’m not trying to be.

Solicitor Nardone: I know. You’re either born a girl or a boy.

Committeemember Nero: Correct. So decisions are made on what?

Solicitor Nardone: I would imagine they didn’t get into the fine details. They said that it’s based on biological sex. And in 1970-ish, when Title IX was written, and then the Javits Amendment, which was in ‘72, the common sense definition was sex at birth. It meant that the word sex meant biological sex.

Committeemember Nero: So if I’m inclined to vote against transgender athletes participating in sports, I want to know what protections the committee or I would have if they were inclined to go in that direction because in 44 states, you can change your sex on your birth certificate. And in a lot of red states too, you can do that. So we would be in a predicament of leaving it up to who had their sex changed on their birth certificate and says, “I’m going to participate in a female sport,” when they were born a biological male.

Solicitor Nardone: The decision doesn’t get into that minutiae. It doesn’t address that. The administration would have to decide based on the information before them, the best information they have. If there’s any suspicion, concern, or inkling that a birth certificate has been altered, then they’d have to pursue that however they do it. Remember, you are the board of directors. You establish the policy, the protocol, or the rules, and then it’s up to the administration to implement those policies and rules.

Committeemember Nero: I get that part, but if they implement it incorrectly or the situation is such that you have to ask the question - you know, these permutations in my mind that they’re outed, okay? Or whatever the reason is, if someone said, “I’m not going to tell you who the kid is,” because of the outing of the kid. But if we’re in a situation where someone’s making that decision in the administration, well, the folks on this panel would be sued, not the administration, because we are the board of directors.

Solicitor Nardone: No, they would be sued as well.

Committeemember Nero: Yeah, well, let’s put it this way: I’ve said this to two committees over the years. It all looks good until the constable shows up at your door and you’re being sued, and they’re calling me up in my office when I was superintendent. I just wanted to confirm that the inclination is to follow what the Supreme Court said: How do we police it? And again, that’s going to be the tough question.

Solicitor Nardone: And that ends up being a day-to-day issue, a case-by-case issue, but if you have the appropriate policy, protocols, and procedures in place to protect you, you’ve done everything you can to that point.

Committeemember Nero: I’m saying, as we do with every other policy, is we go to boards to find out what effective policies are out there. We do it for just about anything. The other thing is, all our student athletes, male and female (and I don’t know how it is now with the Supreme Court decision), sign an assumption-of-risk form before they can play any sport. So that’s in place. I’m looking at this from different directions. After I read the decision - again, I’m not a lawyer - I looked at this as saying, from the position of the coach, the athletic director, and up the chain to the assistant superintendent, superintendent, and school committee, [are the ones] policing that if we were not to allow transgender students to participate in sports.

Solicitor Nardone: There are going to be several actions that end up at the Supreme Court, and several pending in the lower federal courts; the best advice I can give you at this stage in the process and in the evolution of this law is to comply with the Supreme Court’s decision. Now, what does that mean? I’m not sure, but you need to do it.

Committeemember Nero: As you know, I don’t take up too much time here, but we had a situation that received worldwide attention: the Cranston prayer banner at Cranston High School West. It was a prayer banner put up in 1959. It started with, “Our Heavenly Father” and ended with “Amen,” and we ended up being represented [by legal counsel]. We wanted to keep the banner. We thought it was the relic. It was Christian, and I’m a practicing Catholic, so I didn’t find a problem with it. But we ended up getting a pro bono [lawyer] from the Diocese. But the [ACLU] won the case. You’re not going to have a parent suing us if we decide to go against it. The ACLU is going to sue us, and if we lose, we’d have to pay their legal fees. So there are a lot of different tentacles to this, and I want to be clear: It’s not just a simple matter of saying, “No, they can’t do it.”

Committeemember Timothy Killam: None of us here are lawyers, except you [William Nardone]. We’re paying you to keep us out of trouble. If you’re telling us that...

Solicitor Nardone: Just to be clear, I’ve never been to the Supreme Court.

Committeemember Killam: Right. I think it is in this body’s best interest, at least in my opinion, to have [William Nardone] put together [policy language] on what will keep us out of trouble and what we should be doing. Whether we agree with it or not, it doesn’t matter. This is about following the law, and none of us are here to write [policy language]. That’s not our job. If it’s something we have to follow legally, it needs to come from [William Nardone], and we review it and go from there. But we’ve got to be careful with this. We really do.

Committee Vice Chair Ober: We currently have a protocol in place. It’s not a policy. It’s not a rule. Can we work with this to start forming a policy?

Solicitor Nardone: My first suggestion is to ask Dr. Garceau, who’s the boots on the ground every day, to come up with something, in concert with me, or on his own if he prefers, that is compliant at this point.

Superintendent Garceau: That’s what I was charged to do a few months ago, and I wrote and presented it, and the recommendation was that we do nothing, take no action. The other thing that I’m hearing from other attorneys in the state is that what this decision says is that if your state has that law in place, you’re not in violation of Title IX. And as you said, it doesn’t compel anybody to establish new laws, correct? So I want to be clear on that so I can resurrect that language for sure and run it by you.

Solicitor Nardone: That’s probably a good place to start. Take a look at that.

Committeemember Seth Logan: I have a question. Are there any other districts in states with laws similar to that of Rhode Island that are at risk of losing their federal funding because of Title IX violations based on this latest ruling?

Solicitor Nardone: I can’t speak specifically to that, Mr. Logan. That would be a consequence of violating Title IX. But again, the states that have these laws now are not in violation of Title IX by doing this.

Committeemember Logan: Can you take a look at Meredith v. Jefferson County, if you get a chance?

Solicitor Nardone: Jefferson County?

Committeemember Logan: Correct.

Committee Chair Dunn: Thank you for that explanation. I think we should have a policy like this in place. Now that the Supreme Court has ruled on it, we need to protect ourselves, since the plane has shifted on where the lawsuits would come from; I think we need to have a policy in place for the sports aspect of things. Since the protocol came up, and I was doing a little bit of looking around, there was also a Supreme Court decision on a case in California back in March, Mirabelli v. Bonta, regarding notification to parents if students are identifying in school as transgender and the way our protocol - that RIDE (Rhode Island Department of Education) has pushed on us - that we have on our website reads, at the secondary level we do not have to notify parents.

We’re going to have to make some adjustments or remove some things from the protocol on our website. If we’re being told to comply with the Supreme Court, this other case from back in March, we also need to comply with that. And again, common sense prevails, and parents should know what’s going on with their children if they’re under 18. And common sense is now prevailing in sports.

I’m looking forward to seeing what Dr. Garceau and Solicitor Nardone can pull together for us as a policy.

Solicitor Nardone: I’ll take a look at that case as well. There may have been a carve-out for students who are over 18, but other than that, I’ll take a look at that as well.

Committeemember Nero: We’re going to be damned if we do and damned if we don’t, because some parents are going to turn around and sue us anyway if we follow our attorney’s advice. The bottom line is we may be one district that says we’re going to follow the Supreme Court decision. Other districts may not. We may find that our kids are going to be playing against, you know, in that situation in other places too.

[Note: Here, I think School Committee member Nero is talking about Westerly students playing teams from other municipalities that allow transgender students to participate in sports.]

But you know... all I want to know is what’s going to keep us out of jail. I’m 75 years old. I don’t need to be sued at this point.

Committeemember Wycall: But the Supreme Court... I mean, at this point, if we were to have a lawsuit going in the opposite direction, it would go to the state; we might win; it might go to a district court, and it might win there. Still, the final decision is the Supreme Court, so anything is going to end up there, and this is their decision that we have to follow. The other thing is that the Cumberland School District is considering a policy that will address the Supreme Court’s decision in Mirabelli v. Bonta, and maybe we can get our hands on that. We’ll ensure that parents are notified if the child is under 18 and that we take into account all the other provisions of this court ruling that had to do with not dictating how students treat other students, but rather how staff deals with students, how it’s reported, and how parents are informed.

Solicitor Nardone: Those are some examples of the branches I referred to coming off this tree. One thing you mentioned is that you can’t control how students address each other. But you can control how teachers and administrators address students. Again, I have to take a look at that case, but the more you look, the more complicated it becomes.

Committeemember Nero: If we were able to be in that situation, we wouldn’t go to the Supreme Court. Back in the day when we had our prayer thing, they told us in 2012, which was 14 years ago, it would cost you over $2 million to go to the Supreme Court between all the filings and everything you have to do, so we have to find something that’s going to work for us and work right.

Committeemember Killam: I agree, we have to figure out what’s going to work. The thing is: the proof. The problem is the birth certificate. I mean, I’ve personally experienced it. It can be changed, so it’s not proof. That’s part of the problem: an original birth certificate, if changed, is gone forever. That’s just the way it is. My family has an adopted child, and I can tell you for sure that’s what happens. It’s gone. So you’re stuck with that; that is not proof, and that’s a problem.

Committeemember Lori Wycall: We will have to determine what we want or what Dr. Garceau thinks is the best way to follow the policy. If we were to say it’s a birth certificate, and somebody’s going to use a falsified or a changed birth certificate, so be it. But we will have something in place so that it’s uniform throughout the district. It’s following the law, and it makes sense.

Superintendent Garceau: I would remind you, though, that we can do that within our own district about our own kids. As we’ve been advised before, if a bus pulls up, we don’t have any control over other districts that are coming to us and what they have in place. We’ll have to figure out how we police that.

Committeemember Wycall: We are leading the charge with electric buses. We were leading the charge with something else, some other pilot program. Why don’t we lead the charge on following the law and doing the right thing? The other districts in the state may follow suit.

Committeemember Angela Goethals: I was struck by the word evolution. I remember when Mr. Nardone presented, based on the draft policy that Ms. Wycall had asked for, the evolution of thought, the evolution of words, the evolution of language, and the evolution of the way that we define certain things. I believe it was you who talked about the nuance there and talked about the fact that you take a phrase like biological sex; what it meant 20 years ago or 50 years ago is not what it means today, and what we understand about it as far as evolutionary biology, as far as the spectrum, is vastly different than what it once was.

The second thing is that you mentioned the evolution of the law. I seem to recall some of the justices who voted on this were also those who swore that Roe v. Wade was the law of the land during their Senate confirmation hearings. Then they turned around and voted to overturn it. You [William Nardone] mentioned that executive orders are tied to the administration that issues them. It seems to me that there is an evolution in the interpretation of law and in the decisions of this Supreme Court.

The composition of the court shifts and changes as we well know. If we’re going to tie ourselves to decisions that are mutable and don’t have permanence, I’m inclined to agree with Dr. Garceau that we should work with what we have and recognize that we’re trying to keep our district out of trouble. Still, we’re also going to protect all of our students and families. That’s where I stand on that.

Committeemember Logan: No offense, but how about protecting our girls?

Committee Chair Dunn to Seth Logan, about the argumentative and accusatory nature of his question: We’re not going to do that at all.

Solicitor Nardone: My only response to some of those comments, Angela, is that, as I said, currently we have a particular Supreme Court, and that’s the one we have to deal with. That’s the one that’s making the decisions at the highest level in the United States. And as I said, they’re not last because they’re right. They’re right because they’re last. Can this decision, or pieces of it, be overturned? Of course it could. But unless and until that happens, this is the status of the current law. And they determined the definition, for purposes of this decision, of biological sex.

Your memory is correct. I did explain [executive orders] with several different adjectives and terms, because those exist, but apparently not for purposes of this decision. That’s what they just decided.

Committeemember Nero: On what you just said, if the Supreme Court was empowered back in 2012, that prayer banner would still be up because we would have had a shot, even with $2 million, to keep it still up, because you can see now they’re putting Bibles in some schools. Bible studies, versus... That’s the evolution, and that’s the way it is. So I had the prayer banner cut down from the wall, and I’ve had it hidden. And someday, if they turn that around again, I’ll have it put back up again.

Committeemember Goethals: Sure. Okay. One last thing: You did also say that whatever the federal law is as it pertains to this, whatever protections are in place through Rhode Island General Laws are moot.

Solicitor Nardone: There are some instances where Rhode Island General Laws would prevail, depending on the topic and the issues, but typically not.

Committee Vice Chair Michael Ober: We always follow the law. I mean, that’s why Mr. Nero said on several occasions, we’re going to wait for the courts to get done before we make changes, and that’s what we’re going to do. We’re going to follow the law. We’re going to come up with a policy to adhere to it. I want to remind people that we’re talking about lawsuits, and there was potentially one transgender athlete in the State of Rhode Island. That’s it. There aren’t a whole lot of issues that are going to come up.

A lawsuit can be expensive, whether it’s one or many. We need to put this in perspective. This is a policy change that will affect very few people. When it comes to pilot programs, electric buses, and things like that, those things connect. We’ve done that before.

The law today may change tomorrow, and we have to keep that in mind, but we should always follow what the law says.

Solicitor Nardone: Remember, I give you advice. Whether you follow it is your choice.

I don’t make those decisions. I give you advice. I try to provide you with the appropriate options.

Committeemember Wycall: How do we go about making decisions and having some policy? Do we have a consensus? Do we need to?

Superintendent Mark Garceau: I just pulled up the language that I had proposed back in December, re-sent it to [Solicitor Nardone], and copied the committee on it. I’ll be happy to speak with [Solicitor Nardone]in the coming days, and we can put it back on the agenda.

Committee Chair Dunn: In this conversation, we’ve spent more time on a solicitor’s report than we ever have. We keep going around and around in a circle on this. We all have our personal feelings towards it. Obviously our goal is to protect our kids, but now this makes me say, let’s look at all of our sports policies. If it’s also about competitiveness and fairness, and we’re playing against a private school that maybe has different training facilities and different trainers, is that fair to our kids that are going to have to compete against them? Let’s take everything, put it on the table and talk about it. As far as students who are trying out, if they’re going to a private coaching session, should they be trying out for a public school team against the other kids? It’s an unfair advantage.

We have to do what the law says, but we have to start looking at other spaces as well, because it’s not just going to be about targeting a certain individual group of kids and making them feel unsafe and uncomfortable. With that, we’re going to move to our first open forum here. This one is limited to school agenda and school committee agenda items only; speakers are given five minutes. Is there anybody who wishes to address the committee?

Robert Chiaradio: Two weeks ago, on June 30th, the Supreme Court of the United States, as Attorney Nardone said, ruled in favor of the 27 states that currently prohibit boys identifying as girls from participating in girls’ sports. This was a giant win for fairness and truth and proof that the highest court in the land will not allow our girls and women to be erased. The majority opinion stated that those 27 states did not violate Title IX by not allowing boys to participate in girls’ sports. Why? Because they’re not girls.

In effect, the court put the stake in the ground as per Justice Thomas’s...

Committee Chair Dunn: Excuse me, Mr. Chiaradio, which agenda item does this relate to?

Robert Chiaradio: To the solicitor’s report. It’s on the agenda, right, Madam Chair? Can I address the solicitor’s report?

It’s an agenda item. I’m going to continue. I’ll reclaim my time as well.

In effect, the court put the stake in the ground that there are only two sexes: male and female. Also, if those 27 states are not in violation of Title IX by not allowing boys to participate in girls’ sports, then the other 23 states, it can be inferred, are, and would lose in court.

To be clear, Title IX has nothing at all to do with anything other than discrimination based on biological sex. It’s very easy to read and understand. Now, the Supreme Court of the United States affirms it. Those who would perpetuate this lie, this erasure of girls, have nowhere else to go. Great line. They’re not... whatever it was, they’re not... right, because they’re last; whatever it was, it was spot on.

That’s why several districts in our state are drafting policies that conform with Title IX and the Supreme Court decision as we speak. Based on Solicitor Nardone’s words this evening, as well as statements from some on this committee that you were waiting for the SCOTUS to rule, it’s over. Now, the good school committees in Rhode Island, as well as this one, need not fear being sued and losing because of doing the right thing and protecting our girls.

For telling the truth, for obeying the law, you now have the Supreme Court of the United States behind you. Many or all of you are aware of the numerous incidents regionally and nationally where males identifying as females have taken team spots away from females, stolen victories from them, or injured them during competition. Anyone with any athletic experience knows firsthand, or can read about, the superiority, strength, and endurance males have over females. That is why the NCAA, the IOC, the USOC, 27 states, a federal judge, and a presidential executive order have all banned males from participating in female sports. Now, the Supreme Court affirms them all. It’s over for those who perpetuate your and RIDE’s trans protocol lie. This is in clear violation of Title IX, not only on the athletic side, but on the privacy side as well.

This has been the case since it was adopted; you all know this. It not only allows boys to compete with girls athletically, but also allows them to violate girls’ private spaces like bathrooms and locker rooms. The policy basically states that if the girl is uncomfortable with a boy in her private areas, she can move and go somewhere else. That’s wrong and discriminatory against our girls based on sex, thereby violating Title IX. Again, you all know this. I don’t know what RIDE will do. I don’t know what the Attorney General will recommend. I do know that individual districts are beginning the process of protecting our girls, not only the girls, but themselves as well, which you need to do. No kids should be bullied.

No kid. This is why kids confused with their sexual identities should be rolled into the district’s anti-bullying policy. No special rules for them, just a mandate that they, like all other kids, be treated respectfully and not bullied. Let truth be your guide. Remember, you must protect kids, and you must also protect Westerly taxpayers from being sued.

Lastly, as I told you back in 2024, or the school committee at that time, the Supreme Court would make your decision for you if you did not, forcing you to do the right thing. When you knew what you should have done all along, which is to protect and respect girls, that time has come. Get this on your next agenda. And implement a policy that protects girls and complies with Title IX and the Supreme Court ruling before the 2026-2027 school year begins. Thank you for your time.

Gail Barrington: I wasn’t expecting to do this, but I think you have to tread lightly when it comes to the definition of biological sex. I’m a registered nurse. I have almost 40 years of experience. I’m a labor and delivery nurse. I have been at deliveries where the biological sex is not always clear. Over the years, many more patients are having genetic testing done. What shows up in that genetic testing and what shows up on a physical exam are contrary to each other.

You’re going to have parents who have to make a very difficult decision when their child is born: How they choose to raise that child. But then when that child gets older, genetics weigh in, and they feel a different way. In terms of biology, you have to look at that definition when you’re creating these policies.

Committee Chair Dunn: Thank you. Is there anybody else?

Okay, seeing none, I will open it up for any committee members who wish to respond.

Committeemember Goethals: I just wanted to thank you for that clarification. I have always said that there are experts in these fields who understand things that we as laypeople do not. You, as a nurse in the labor and delivery space, have provided incredibly valuable clarification.

Committee Chair Dunn: Thank you to everybody who spoke this evening.

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